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OK, Lets try something different. I am going to ask all of you a question. What do you prefer and why? I have run both and for me it depends on the rig. For the lower HP rigs a manual and proper gearing make life easy. For the higher Hp rigs an auto with a slight stall to stop it from pushing...

Looks like they are going to make the front end longer. http://www.fourwheeler.com/news/1605-first-look-2018-jeep-wrangler-jl-in-heavy-camouflage/